I was definitelywe had a pretty weak art library at the Boston Public Library because it was all behind a key, so you had to apply for a book. There was a stegosaurus that came up from the Badlands in South Dakota that I didn't move on fast enough, and then there was a triceratops that I didn't move on fast enough, but I had a second opportunity when the owner passed away. And eventually we agreed to part friends. So, yes, there's a plaque to my grandfather. The company, when I came to it, it had the legacy of all this real estate that it owned that was very valuable, and it had sold that real estate in 2008. So, I mean, he's at a level way above mine in philanthropy, and very chauvinistic about his city of Antwerp, which is wonderful, because, you know, Antwerp has had, you know, off and on, hard centuries and good centuries. Winslow Homer Casting, Number Two, 1894. JUDITH RICHARDS: You were traveling a lot in the '80s. CLIFFORD SCHORER: They were basedI think they'rewell, I mean, I know them as international, but, yes, they're based in London. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That was Sotheby's New York. And I decided my aesthetic. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I think they have more problems now that they have more visitors, because the doors are opening and closing more, and more people means more humidity from the people. So, yes. JUDITH RICHARDS: You can be foolish when you're that age. JUDITH RICHARDS: [Laughs.] I said, "Well, you know, that's exciting news." JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, yeah. He seems really smart." JUDITH RICHARDS: So as you got to 2000, 2001, how did your interestyou said you became involved with the Worcester Museum. 3) Example 2: Create New Variable Based On Other Columns Using transform () F JUDITH RICHARDS: I imagine you wanted to preserve the goodwill of the name of Agnew's. [Laughs.] JUDITH RICHARDS: But timewise, was that the beginning of your starting to explore that area? Schorer also recalls Anna Cunningham; George Abrams; Sydney Lewis; Chris Apostle; Nancy Ward Neilson; Jim Welu, as well as Rita Albertson; Tanya Paul; Maryan Ainsworth; Thomas Leysen; Johnny Van Haeften; Otto Naumann; and Konrad Bernheimer, among others. It was Naples, [Jusepe de] Ribera, [Luca] Giordano at theyou know, Giordano at the beginning; Ribera towards thetowards the middle. Followers. [Affirmative.] JUDITH RICHARDS: So you donated the piece, or you donated the funds for them to purchase the piece? You could buy things in Europe and sort of do your best to get them home. But, no, I mean, it's. And that's the way that relationship went for years and years and years, and then, all of a sudden, I popped up sort of with them as a dealer. So things would end up in boxes. I took a little bit of a detour towards the pure craft in the Song dynasty monochromes, but, I mean, one must imagine that in the eighth and ninth centuries in China, they were a thousand years ahead of Europe, and to me, thatyou know, they were creating perfection in porcelain a thousand years before the Europeans even understood what porcelain was. On May 23, Columbia Business School alumni, students, faculty, and staff members gathered to celebrate the retirement of Professor Clifford Schorer, honoring his more than two decades of commitment to entrepreneurship at the School a tenure that started by chance. ], And in the Chinese export world, it wasn't quite that. He would run around to continental auctions back before the internet, and now the kids and I do a lot. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I lovethat's something I did start doing in 2008. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sobut anyway, I mean, it's. They may not be moneymakers. [00:42:05]. She's great. I resigned from the collections committee at the Worcester Art Museum. And that onethat one wasyou know, it was estimated at, I don't know, $2,000 and it made 47,000, and I'm in the checkout line, and someone I know is there who bid against me. It just wasn'tI mean until 1999when, unfortunately, the auction houses forced me to come out of the closet, thatthat's really the only time, you know, when the Christie's and the Sotheby's, when they became so socially engaged with me, and they were trying to drag me out, you know, that they werethey were seeing a younger person buying things at a sale, and they wanted to know who they are, and what theyyou know, they're doing market research, and in their market research, they want to drag you to a dinner and plop you next to the ambassador and, you know. [Affirmative.] More from This Artist Similar Designs. So, in other words, the entire world previously had been constructed around those dedicated 80 collectors who came to the market, who came to the oasis once a year to buy a painting, be it Maastricht, be it Sotheby's New York, whatever it is. There are a number of hats I had to take off. And I said, "Well, whatever your normal process is, just do your normal process. You know, it was this incredibly complex. So, I lost it. You're very involved in it, and you've developed this expertise in computer programming. It had been in dealer hands so long, and it had been sort of, shall we say, gussied up so many times by restorersanother layer of varnish, another layer of feeble retouching, another layer of varnish. Listing of the Day Location: Provincetown, MassachusettsPrice: $3.399 million This starkly modern and dramatic home was built in 2013 as a guesthouse to an adjacent flat-roofed, glass . So I got the job and I went to work there. You have to think about tastes and the moment of your taste and whether the market is esteeming that taste at a given moment. Victor Building Winslow Homer (1836-1910), A Fishergirl Baiting Lines (1881), watercolor, 31.8 48.3 cm, Yale University Art Gallery, New Haven, CT. Wikimedia Commons. You know, there was aI forget who the famous collector was, that says, "I deal to collect." [Laughs.] They wanted to put the screaming woman in the colon or something. So I still, to this dayI mean, I'm building two buildings as we speak, and I'm running back and forth doing concrete pours, because I love that. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, eventually, I was accepted to a few colleges in Boston. But I did bring in a decorator. There was a logic for the family dissolving the enterprise which was hard to overcome with the attraction of a sale. And now the painting hangs at the Worcester Art Museum so it can be seen, and basically, you know, after all of that gunk was stripped off, the painting that emerged is extraordinary, so we're very excited. So the Museum of Fine Arts school in BostonI took my one class in Renaissance painting technique. So I was. How do you deal with that? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. They just didn't have theyou know, there weren'tyou knowwhen the curator was talking about exhibitions, and why this is important and that's not important, there were a lot of questions that were being asked that were derailing the conversations. And Colnaghi is still extremely ambitious; I think they still have 40 employees, and, you know, their ambition may or may not be equaled by a marketplace that can sustain their ambition, but, you know, time will tell on that. JUDITH RICHARDS: Where is the Gropius house? That I was. CLIFFORD SCHORER: intrinsically knowing the difference between an early 20th-century and a late 18th-century. CLIFFORD SCHORER: In that field, I have them now, and ironically, I didn't have them then. I said, "I had a great time. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sure. There's a lot of blue hair. So, no. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Maybe, maybe so. L-E-Y-S-E-N. And he's also involved with the Corpus Rubenianum; he's a great charitable giver. And I learned to say the most rudimentary things. And the Best family, the family that owned Best Products. And being a sort of mariner and obsessed with the mariners of, you know, the 19th century. Is that the case? Located in the Donald W. Reynolds Center for American Art and Portraiture (8th and F Streets NW), Size: 5 sound files (3 hr., 57 min.) And then I'm going through a book on Strozzi, and it says Worcester Art Museum. So I didn't go back. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So now there's really, you know, two sales worth attending. Only a. This is incredible." CLIFFORD SCHORER: And I was in the first year of it. I stopped dead in my tracks, and I stared at it, and my partner was like, "Oh!". JUDITH RICHARDS: And you spent four years there? Are there any people there who sort of are the continuation? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, until there was an opportunity to reallythere were two opportunities in my entire lifetime which were not multimillionaire, you know, games to really sort of acquire one major specimen. It was about 200 pounds. It was a lot of time, a time I still don't have, but it was a lot of time. [00:52:00], So, you know, in that case, I went myself; looked at it; liked it; made an irrevocable bid; and bought it at the auction and then brought that immediately to London; gave it to them; and they're running with it. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because I'm in Beacon Hill, I'm going to the local auctions; I'm going to all the auctions. And theyand the span of time goes from, you know, 1720 all the way to 1920. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And often, those are the ones I cannot afford under any circumstances. Antioch. So I went down to Virginia, and I got a programming job at Best Products, which was a retailer. [Affirmative.] But what I picked up, obviously, had an impact. When I was 13, we restored a Model T Ford from thefrom the, you know, bolts up. So think about it from that perspective. No, I was 15 and a half. So I know, for example, in Sofia that they have wonderful, you know, Mithraic panels from tombs and things, you know, from altars, because Mithraism was very big during the Roman Empire. And this was an example of something that they made to commemorate the 100-year anniversary, probably around 1744 or so, of the VOC [United East India Company] making entres into China to sell the export goods. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, an art handler to move things around. It was bought five years ago for . CLIFFORD SCHORER: as we have today. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, some incrediblethere was an estimate of the marketplace, half a million paintings, and the paleontological specimens of that scale are four, five [laughs], yes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, the stated goal has always been to die with one painting, the best painting I've ever owned. JUDITH RICHARDS: or any of that sort of stuff . The name is the same, unfortunately, so people know who it is. I think the auction market is very strong in New York, but the dealer market is certainly a London-based thing, with a few exceptions. Noortman was the gallery that was, you know, a very successful Dutch dealer, Robert Noortman. Why don't we talk about Agnew's? So it. JUDITH RICHARDS: You're going to art auctions? JUDITH RICHARDS: He took a more traditional path. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm not that intelligent. Death . CLIFFORD SCHORER: Give up all my business interests and retire to sort of a conversational job where I sat in a shop, and I played shopkeeper, and people came in and looked at my furniture and told me how overpriced it was. Suite 2200 $14. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And you know, other things happened too. You know, thissort of the pre-1900 art is still centered in London. But, yeah, I mean, I'mgenerally speaking, I stop into all the galleries that I've always known, you know. He says, "You want to have lunch tomorrow?". So in this case, we were able to do something which German museumsGerman state museums with historical arthave traditionally said no to. I mean, there wasthere was a bit of knowledge of something's not right here. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. He said, "Who are you?" CLIFFORD SCHORER: That is from my paleontological collecting. We started talking at five o'clock at TEFAF; we finished the next morning at 9 a.m. That's all. So today I actually have two paintings from that same series. So, you know, in a sense, there was ajust a moment, and that momentif that hadn't happened, I wouldn't have bought the company. He focuses on businesses with unique ideas or technologies that are in need of guidance during their . I went to Thessalonica; I got in a rental car. [They laugh.] CLIFFORD SCHORER: It was very dingy and dark, but it still was a masterpiece. CLIFFORD SCHORER: In Provincetown. I remember these place names. I mean, everyone who came to visit me said, "Welcome to old lady land.". I was thinking of something more basic. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, they weren't targeted. JUDITH RICHARDS: I think we'll conclude. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, I know the famous expression about the collection you have and the collection you have in your mind. He is considered one of the foremost painters in 19th-century America and a preeminent figure in American art. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It was a good, you know, three or four years of financing deals that, you know, I found particularly exciting and interesting, and the paintings that we were ablethat I was able to sort of touch in an abstract way were paintings I could never otherwise touch. Last year, Schorer used a reverse . JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I would say most of that traveling was on my own. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And I bought a lot of blue-and-white from Kangxi and Qianlong because that, again, was what was plentiful in the New England homes. So, you know, we can fight that territory one collector at a time, and if that means a deep engagement with one person to try to interest them in something that we think will be rewarding for them, JUDITH RICHARDS: I assume participating in art fairs is a way of broadening your audience, JUDITH RICHARDS: Perhaps collaborations within some other [00:46:02], JUDITH RICHARDS: symposium or whatever you can imagine doing, JUDITH RICHARDS: that will bring in people andyeah, and then convert that, JUDITH RICHARDS: current interest in only contemporary and Modern to, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, our first TEFAF, for which we received some praise and some criticismwhich is exactly what I wantas the radio personality says, "One star or five stars, and nothing in between." I'm sort of burrowing a hole in the bottom of a library and shining a flashlight on a book under a cover, so no one knows what I'mwhat embarrassments I'm reading about. But, yeah. Three, four months. JUDITH RICHARDS: Climate-controlled art storage? JUDITH RICHARDS: for the field. But today we run it with computers. CLIFFORD SCHORER: the natural entre into it. It was just books on subjects that interested me. He was a good discoverer. I do the Arts of Europe Advisory, but that's reallythey've asked me to join and do more, but because of the time commitment at Worcester, I really haven't been able to. And if the auction house can earncan tell a client, "Well, we're not going to charge you anything; we'll charge the buyer. Again, knowing that that is a skill set that I will never possess, and that as close as I can ever get is to collect something. Well, I mean, there was a collector-dealer, I think. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, I readwhen I get involved in something, I read obsessively. But I think that what keeps you in historic art is that that often is where your passion is, and you're bucking the trend, the business trend, but I think that, you know, it provides you with such personal satisfaction. Well, I mean, Agnew's is very strong, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Agnew's was very strong up until, CLIFFORD SCHORER: yeah, mid-century British. I mean, it's. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. Like the bestyou know, the very important people in the orbit of the greatest, and very, very good quality; I mean the best quality that there is. JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. The grave site of Clifford J Schorer. [Laughs.] It didn't matter to me at all. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: commentarywe had a Reynolds and a Kehinde Wiley together, and we showed that, you know, basically, this portraitureyou know, the portraiture is not only of its time, but it also can be timeless. And just, you know, wander around and pull books. So, you know, I did that kind of loop aesthetically, where I went from the filigree to the shadow. So [00:44:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I do not. Without that, we could not feed these people. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you see yourself or the gallery having a role as a mentor towell, yourself as a mentor to younger collectors and the gallery for its own interests to expandto grow a new generation of clients? These things happen, I suppose. Before we get to thatso that's 2008, about? We had a Bill Viola exhibition of his martyrdom series [Martyrs: Earth, Air, Fire, Water, 2014] that he made for St. Paul's, CLIFFORD SCHORER: That was at TEFAF, the first time, CLIFFORD SCHORER: first TEFAF in Maastricht. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And so I was very happy to be there at the moment when they needed the business side to think about things like the real estate, the liability, the employees, you know, the human resource matters, the board relationship between their board and our board when they're being absorbed into our board, that sort of thing. And then send it away andI'm trying to remember who did the book. So [00:48:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: But you didn't havethat were well-managed, and you didn't have to, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well-managed, I have two dinners per year with the management team and. Boston. JUDITH RICHARDS: She lives in Italy though? And unfortunately, I mean. I mean, you know, it's just, you knowI think the next time it comes through the marketplace, it'll say, you know, "We gratefully acknowledge Ms. Neilson, who said it's by Crespi." Yeah, about a year. I mean, thatand also, you know, when you getwhen you go to the Old Master market, if you really want to focus on something, you really can't go to any tertiary auction houses. JUDITH RICHARDS: Just to ask a couple of basic general questions. I'm trying to remember the estimate; I think the estimate was either [$]2 to 3 million, or 1.5 to 2.5, but it was very enticing compared to the asking price. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, to me, that was that was very exciting. Do you havedo you maintain storage? TV Shows. JUDITH RICHARDS: [Laughs.] No. So, you knowand the money they made is what made the Rembrandts. I mean, not, of course, of the quality of Randolph Hearst [laughs], but of a quantity, for sure. This huge chandelier. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, I mean, it helped to give the Worcester Art Museum the breathing space to get their spendI think this year their spend is down to 5.8 percent of endowment, which is the lowest I've ever seen, by an enormous amount. CLIFFORD SCHORER: As it is by irresponsible, you know, people. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And when they came into the market and destroyed the marketa reason that I left the market for good in about 20072006, 2007when they started to sort of manipulate, you know, the auction market, I stopped buying, but I had accumulated quite a nice collection of Imperial things. My mother wasmy mother was a single mother who was living away from the house 90 percent of the time. I mean, I'm not writing 400-page tomes on, you know, theyou know, the Old Testament series of Rubens. [Affirmative.]. JUDITH RICHARDS: But you started out displaying these 300? They had a big sale in the '80s, and just three or four weeks ago they had a sale of Dodo Dorrance, who was the daughter of Jack Dorrance, and in that sale was a beautiful Cezanne, really beautiful Cezanne. [Affirmative.] JUDITH RICHARDS: When you werewhen you were talking about Amsterdam and Antwerp, I was thinking about the fact that your mother was originally of Dutch. However, the first thing I seriously collected as an adultso, age 17 comes, I start a company, and within six months I'm making money. There was another local museum that was in trouble, the Higgins Armory Museum, and they had the second-best arms and armor collection in America, and also an unsung hero. Occupation: Real Estate/Realtor. CLIFFORD SCHORER: We will have a viewing space in New York, but that's all. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, certainly, don't destroy the art if you can avoid it. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because the people I knew [laughs] when I was 17 were 60. JUDITH RICHARDS: [Laughs.] [00:32:05]. This man, who comes from a loved ones group which is thus wealthy they are usually able to jet involving around the world just after they feel like it, belittles Selina, whom is actually a kind along with loving mother. If we rely upon the aesthetic of our art and say, Here it is. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I think so. I'm reasonably good at language, and I tried. They're rare, of course. But I bought it for the frame. But, yeah, I had a programming job there. I'm at a Skinner auction. The art questions were Anthony's bailiwick. 15 records for Clifford Schorer. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. And sure enough, like a year later, the bronze show comes to London, and there it is with thein fullyou know, 100 greatest objects in bronze. And Ashland is an even deeper sort of geo-politic. Those people are notthey don't exist now, and they don't exist for a lot of reasons. It's actually, you knowit's the kernel of what you do as a collector without the headache of the aftermath. And I decided to specialize in database languages, which was quite early for those advanced database languages. [00:04:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: They werethey had the English family connections to allow them to continue to trade when others were forced to do business with people that were, shall we say, less than scrupulous, and so that was a lucky break in a sense. JUDITH RICHARDS: And how does that manifest itself? 1:00 p.m.4:00 p.m. [Laughs.]. JUDITH RICHARDS: So the only alternativeif the person can be convincedis if you just offer them cash to buy it, and then you have a part of your inventory. Check Out this page to know the phone number about Clifford Schorer. And then I would say when I was aroundand this tied well into the art world. Movies. I thought it really worked well. CLIFFORD SCHORER: no, no, I agree. I mean, my favorite type of symposia end with, you know, almost fisticuffs between scholars about attribution. I mean, also I thought Boston was the most European city in America. And often, they were strange variations on Chinese stories made for an American market or made for a British market or made for a French market. Matter of fact, from day one I should have just bought a Dunkin' Donuts. $17. But theyou know, certainly the paintingsthe early paintingsI know those roomsyou walk in, you can feel the humidity. JUDITH RICHARDS: So, that's the period of time, JUDITH RICHARDS: you were really developing. Winslow Homer was an American painter whose works in the domain of realism, especially those on the sea, are considered some of the most influential paintings of the late 19th century. So we just talked all night in the lounge at the hotel, the whole night, just, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, about this painting and that painting, where it came from andyou know. CLIFFORD SCHORER: yeah. But I thinkand actually, in those days it was the museum up in Salem, which is the predecessor of thetoday's Peabody Essex, that had this kind of marine trade room with a lotwith a lot of things in it. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, no, no, I mean, I had particular moments in cities, but, yes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's a loan, yeah, yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I had access to, you know, a virtual warehouse full of them. JUDITH RICHARDS: You mean you went down at 15? Then I went away to boarding schools. And only 10 years later did I find out that my father was so furious that I had left school that he had me fired from Gillette by telling them how old I actually was. But, you know, if Worcester receives a request from a private gallery, "Can we borrow your Strozzi painting?" Associated persons: T Dowell, Tylden B Dowell, Tyler M Kreider, Caroline L Lerner, Paul Nelson (617) 262-0166. [00:02:03]. ", I mean, one experience like that was seeing Ribera in the Capodimonte when the room where the Ribera was was closed, and so I had to negotiate with this very large Italian woman who was blocking the entrance to the room to say, "Look, I came to see that painting." So, no. I like Paris. American artist Winslow Homer (1836-1910) the self-taught master best known today for his scenes of nature and the sea got his start as one of the "special artists" of the Civil War. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And he's a very entertaining historian. And I thought that was very, veryit was really very nice, because I would just come over and talk about art. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's nice to be, you know, continental Europe for the TEFAF Maastricht and then New York for TEFAF New York. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. The sort of ante terminus that I'm sure of is March 11th of 1983, the day I started Bottom Line Exchange Company and filed for my papers. Winslow Homer. Or you found that going. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. 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